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Thirty attack points from the Apostle Eric answered:
Comments 1-10
(Points
11-20
21-30)
The apostle Eric continues to
work hard to spread his particular system of non-orthodox theology. This latest attempt at trying to vindicate
himself is an examination of me on his web site researchoncults.org.
The title of the section is called, "Matt Slick and C.A.R.M.:
Babylon's Self Appointed Apostle, Watchman on the Wall." I must
admit that I find it rather amusing to be called a self appointed
apostle of Babylon. Turn about is fair play, but can Eric back
up his claim? Not at all. Do not be deceived. The apostle
Eric is not a good and true teacher of Christian doctrine and his
paper against me is lacking in substance and depth, but is long on
opinion and personal attacks.
The apostle Eric's web
goes on to cite "30 analysis exposing Matt Slick and his
Watchman Show." What it turns out to be is a misrepresentation of what I've said
combined with faulty logic, opinions, and personal attacks from various "analysts." None of the analysts list any degrees or any theological training which
might help validate their opinions. Instead, these so-called
"analysts" offer short comments of attempted rebuttals which are not
very good at all.
Therefore I will analyze the 30
points and attempt to demonstrate that the "apostle Eric" (and his
analysts) do a very poor job of analyzing me and my comments. Eric
not only teaches some very faulty doctrines, but he is also a
bad apologist.
The bold statements are quotes from the website.
I have responded after each one.
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"Matt Slick
wrote that Eric is a self-appointed apostle. Is this true?"
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Instead of addressing the
issue at hand, this "analyst" named Maria, ignores the issue and
raises another. Eric is not appointed by God.
Therefore, he is self appointed. But, she does not address
that. Instead she says, "Matt
Slick also said that real apostles are psychics, that they should
know things that other people are trying to hide." This is not
what I said. I did
not say that real apostles were psychics. This is a
misrepresentation of what I have stated. Her comments were generated out of
an earlier conversation where the "apostle Eric" was an able to
discern who I was. I asked why he didn't know if he was a
true
apostle of God?
Maria continues with an ad hominem attack against my person
stating about me, "His own carnal mindedness is his own
God..." Sadly, this is nothing more than an opinion
offered as a rebuttal.
If Maria wishes to portray herself as defender of
the truth, then she should at least get the facts straight before
she makes her criticism public.
"Matt Slick doesn't think that Jesus is the focus of
Eric's conversion."
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With this point an opinion is offered
by "Charlie A" as a
rebuttal which says that Eric's focus is on Jesus. Okay,
that's fine. People are entitled to their opinions.
But I have read much of Eric's material and I find it to be
convoluted, misleading, and false in many ways. Of course, those
who work with a Eric will defend him. This is to be
expected.
But since Eric has yet to define the Trinity, says that
salvation is a process, you must speak in tongues, we don't need
to be baptized, grace is not unmerited favor, and that
righteousness is gained by obedience to a standard, etc., we are
still left to wonder which Jesus is the alleged focus of his
writings.
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Anyone who teaches that he was the seventh in line in the
pre-existence and that he is the apostle to the North American
continent has problems. Jesus said that in the last days many
false crisis and false prophets would arise and deceived many,
(Matt. 24:24). Eric, among others, is the fulfillment of Christ's
prophecy.
"Matt Slick says that according to the
Bible, an apostle is one who has seen the risen Lord."
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An "analyst" by the name of John W
states, "Many believers don't accept that criteria for apostles
because Paul was an apostle and he did not see the risen Lord.
Matt Slick's objections are only within his own theological
background (which not everyone shares). If we are to listen to him
then he is the one with all the correct doctrine. But he said
himself that he did not have a calling. So Matt Slick is the self
appointed apostle."
First of all, Paul claimed that he had seen
the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 9:1; Acts 1:21-22). On the road to Damascus in Acts 9, Jesus
appeared to Paul. Therefore, Paul had encountered the risen Lord
and Paul appeals to this in 1 Cor. 9:1. So, John W is quite
wrong.
Also, notice how John W tries to suggest that I am claiming to be
the only one with all the correct doctrine. This is of course
ridiculous and I'm making no such claim. But in order to make his
case sound better, such statements, which are ad hominem attacks,
must be made. Nevertheless, I am not a self appointed apostle.
I do not claim to be anything other than a Christian and a
defender of the Christian faith.
"Matt Slick says that while reading
through Eric's website we are introduced to new thoughts and new
terms with a writing style reminiscent of Mary Baker Eddy in Science
and Health With Key."
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JoAnne C.'s rebuttal to this is to
simply say that she disagrees. She further states "as a student of
the apostle Eric I have not found any of the Christian Science
doctrines."
Notice the error here. I did not state that Eric was
teaching Christian Science doctrines. I stated that the writing
style is reminiscent of that of the founder of Christian science
in that he uses new terms and has a style similar to its founder.
I can state this because I
have been studying the cults since 1980.
This person
then concludes by using the term "CARM Cult guru." This is not
an adequate rebuttal to my statement. It is an empty and emotionally laden
attempt to defame my character and imply that I have false
motives.
"Matt quotes a clip from Eric teaching about the
elements of the gospel: "These elements are not only paired to show
binary relationship, but must also be understood in proclitic
relationship." Then Matt says, "Wading through such prose requires
much effort and acceptance of what Eric tells you the Bible "really"
means."
- Another analyst by the name of "Melissa" says
that she disagrees with my assessment. She says that she does
understand what Eric is saying. Of course, this would be
the case since she is a member of the group that has been trained
in the method's and substance of teaching within it. Nevertheless, phrases
like "binary relationship" and "proclitic relationship" are good
examples of the kind of new phraseology that is used by Eric and
his teaching method. The danger here is that he can introduce
phrases and then tell you what those phrases mean. As a person
learns these new phrases, he can easily be led into believing
something false since Eric tells you what these new phrases and
terms mean. This is potentially very dangerous, particularly
since the Christian church throughout history has not employed
them nor supported them.
And yes, I do say self appointed because since he
contradicts biblical doctrine, he is not an apostle of the true
and living God. He must then be self appointed.
"Matt Slick thinks Eric is talking about himself when he refers to
his calling. He wrote, "As I read through his material, in my
opinion he talked about how he is called of God, a true apostle,
prepared by an angel..."
- Another
"analyst" named Patricia states that Eric is not talking about
himself "as other so-called apostles do. He is teaching
sound doctrine..." Unfortunately, no examples are given
except two short paragraphs of unrelated prose.
Furthermore, her comment is an ambiguous statement.
Without a doubt Eric does talk about himself since he must attempt
to establish his position of authority as an apostle called out
from the pre-existence.
Also, to offer
a comparison to other "so-called apostles" is a meaningless
statement. What other "so-called apostles?" None are listed.
Furthermore, this person begs the question by assuming that what
Eric is teaching is true. Of course this is to be expected by those
who follow his teachings. Just as Mormons believe
Mormonism is true and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe the
watchtower is true, those who follow the apostle Eric will believe
basically whatever he tells them -- as they already have been.
"Matt: I don't want to see anyone afflicted or
held under bondage by Eric's false teachings."
Rina B
dismisses my comments as a "tool of fear and suspicion." Rina is
entitled to his/her opinion. But the fact is that Eric's teachings
are indeed false in many areas as I have documented in my previous
writings. Rina's statement is not rebuttal, but opinion.
"Matt Slick finds fault with what the apostle Eric wrote, "When
Jesus said, 'It is written' He was saying, 'This is the desired
pattern of the Spirit.'" Matt Slick says that this is incorrect.
Matt S. says, "When Jesus said, "It is written," He was referring to
the Old Testament Scriptures."
- Maria responds to this by stating "Moses wrote about the
articles on service for the temple that this was the desired
pattern of the spirit to represent Jesus..." Unfortunately, Maria
fails to understand context of what was really said regarding
Moses and she fails to examine Jesus' use of the term "It is
written" (which I have done
here).
- Jesus would
often quote the Old Testament and state It is written."
Take, for example,
Mark 7:6, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you
hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors Me with
their lips, but their heart is far away from Me."
Quite simply, that is how Jesus referred to the Old Testament
Scriptures. But the apostle Eric says that that isn't what Jesus
"really" meant. Eric says Jesus really it was a "desired pattern of the spirit." That is not what
Jesus said. But, if anyone were to believe Eric's twist on
this statement, then he would be that much more willing to believe
the other errors as he reinterprets scripture according to his own
preferences -- just as he has done here.
"Matt Slicks objects to the apostle Eric's teaching concerning
the Godhead. He quotes Eric as saying, "There is only ONE God
(Eph.4:6), and that ONE God chose to manifest Himself in 3 different
ways: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit (Mt.28:19)."
- Another "analyst" by the name of John W.
then states "Matt wants to
interject the word 'modelism' as a means to scare his readers into
subjection." First of all, John is not a good mind reader since I
am not trying to scare anyone into subjection. Second, after
reading Eric's description of God, it is apparent that he is a modelist in that he denies the doctrine of the Trinity and
affirms the
teaching that God is one person in three forms. This has been
condemned by the Christian Church as the false teaching. If Eric
does indeed teach the true doctrine on the Trinity, then I would
welcome a correction on this subject. I would very much welcome
him putting up a statement on his web site defining the true
doctrine of the Trinity and maintaining that God is indeed three
simultaneous, distinct, and eternal persons known as the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit.
"Some object to God restoring the original foundation of truth
through the apostle Eric by saying, "I express deep concern for your
pursuit of Eric."
- I'm not sure what the purpose of that statement
was or how it
can be rebutted. But this analyst called JoAnne states that "Could
it be that Matt is starting his own religious group? He boasts of
multitudes of people who visit his site and embrace his theology
and use him and his standards as the criteria to measure ALL
others. Again, Matt is caught in his guile, deceit and hypocrisy."
(All caps in original).
Please note is that she
is manufacturing an attack upon my person with unsubstantiated
questions. This method of attack is often made
when people cannot defend their position very well or feel
threatened.
Nevertheless, I'll answer these
objections. No I'm not trying to start my own religious
group. I do not "boast" of multitudes coming to my site, but I do mention
how many come to carm when asked and I give glory to God for it.
What I write is not the criteria to measure "ALL" others. I only
analyze what I see the Scriptures teaching in accordance with
historic Christianity. I often check my analysis with others of
equal or greater learning in biblical theology since I am careful
to not make any mistakes and mislead anyone regarding doctrine.
Finally, JoAnne
offers nothing but another ad hominem attack with the words in
reference to me:
"guile, deceit, and hypocrisy." You would think that if these were
real analysts, such personal attacks would be left out.
In conclusion,
after reading through their first ten "analysis," nothing of any consequence or substance has
been offered. Comments were taken out of context, mind reading
attempts made, my character was attacked, and faulty logic was used
repeatedly. It is very apparent that their
comments and reasoning are sufficient to satisfy Eric which is why
their material is placed on his web site.
(Points
11-20
21-30)
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